Supriya Dixit

[00:01:00] Sujith: Yeah, it's recording. Yeah, go ahead. [00:04:00] Speaker 2: Yeah. So this is about a story of a political party. [unintelligible 00:11:00]. So he actually wanted to bring in [unintelligible 00:14:00] in Andhra Pradesh and he was quoting for, with many leaders for doing good to the people. So, ultimately one day, he decide that he's going to form a party and form the government also. If I'm not wrong, in March 1982 he formed the party and January 1983 he formed the government. So, the sankalpa that he would form a government, not even a party, and he having the ekagrataa - one pointed focus to achieve that. So this is something which I thought will be an apt example because I have sent related PDF article on the NK Ramarao and the party. It's in the political history that had not happened anywhere in India and anywhere in the world that somebody has formed the party and they have formed the government in nine months. So this is clearly sankalpa and ekagrataa example of that. That is one I put across [coughs]. Then other one is story of ATM. [00:01:46] Sujith: ATM, okay. [00:01:46] Speaker 2: ATM. So, very beautifully they have written that this is a revolutionary - it has revolutionized the retail industry in India. And then, he is from a ordinary teachers' family. Right from his childhood, sankalpa was to become a entrepreneur. And then his story goes like - he along with his friend form a organization. And then they cheat, they go away and he alone forms [unintelligible 00:02:27] and he grows this in such a big thing. This is again a great example of sankalpa and ekagrataa. An entire write-up I have attached, so that this could be good two Indian examples for intuitive intelligence. [00:02:54] Sujith: Indeed, indeed. And if we examine these two story that you shared, it would be valuable to check that moment of "Aha!". When was it that they had this "Aha!" moment? A moment of "Aha!" where they felt like, "Yes! This is coming through. This is really something that I know I must do it." Like our munis, they referred to intuitive intelligence or the voice of intuitive intelligence as, "God speaking to us through us." That is a voice of intuition. [00:04:01] Speaker 2: Aantaryaami. [00:04:01] Sujith: Antaryaami indeed. That is actually intuitive, that is, the voice of intuition is Antaryaami. The munis referred d to it as, "God speaking to us through us." Indeed people who have a well - expressed intuitive intelligence, they can hear those voices. And it happens through this "Aha!" moment. I do have many stories in my life where just out of the blue, I come to the realization that this partnership that I've been pursuing is not good. And there's like this deep inner voice just telling me- and the way that voice operates is like - I might be in the shower, or I might be cooking, or I might be working in the garden or just travelling on the road and just this moment of knowingness emerges spontaneous. And in that moment of knowingness, it feels that- that wisdom feels so right that all the cause and effect, everything connects in that one split-second. All the reasons become apparent, like, "This partnership is not right because this person is not developed yet, or this person is too focused on money, or when we do it, the other people in the partnership will not be pleased with it, there's a travelling constraint - " A dozen reasons. All the constraints related to that project suddenly, in that moment, feels addressed by this solution. And all that- the dozen constraints being resolved and this decision fitting- all constraints- all of that in a split-second it feels right. And I get this "Aha!" experience. And the funny thing is how my cognitive self, my egoic self works. It's once I get out of that "Aha!" moment where my intuitive intelligence can be a counselor like a supercomputer farm. I don't know who does all the hosting for omega but where there is NASA or ISRO et cetra, for them to do all their analysis and all of that, they need a supercomputer farm of ten thousand processors. Or a hundred thousand processors or people are these days using virtual forms on the cloud. I remember when I was in business school, the business school to do its heavy-duty data analysis, would, in the middle of the night, use ten thousand computers in the whole university that exist in all the different computer departments. I don't mean the computer departments, but all departments. All the university computers, they were put on and they were used as a computer farm. And the intuitive intelligence is like that. It uses this massive cosmic intelligence to do that computation, and in a split-second I just have this "Aha!" effect. And the funny thing is, when I come out of that "Aha!" moment- like in that moment it felt right, maybe in my meditation or my cooking, whatever it is- and later, when I evaluate that knowingness, that "Aha!", that "Eureka!" moment, I analyse it using my ego or my cognitive self. That decision feels so wrong. Because often, my egoic self of course- makes its decisions based on its identity-needs, its fear-based mechanisms et cetra. And I had often occasions where my intuition would scream at me and tell me like, "Hey! This is a good decision." And then I come out of that state and then when I approach the same knowingness with my cognitive self, it really feels like a wrong decision. That is how the cognitive self works. But I've reached a stage in my life where every time I have this intuitive intelligence expressing, later even when my egoic self second-guesses that decision, I blindly follow my intuitive intelligence. Because I know my intuition is saying something that my cognitive mind cannot understand. [00:10:23] Speaker 2: Correct. Absolutely yes. I think this story falls very nicely with what we talked about cognitive intelligence. In our cognitive intelligence, we have written something different about cognitive [unintelligible 00:10:41]. We talk about the agility. We've written a different paradigm to that. So combining what you said about the intuitive intelligence and what we said in the book about what is required for cognitive intelligence, I think cognitive intelligence should work in a way that the paradigm we see and then the intuitive intelligence that we [unintelligible 00:11:10] I think this tool become very very powerful engine for the leaders [unintelligible 00:11:17]. [00:11:22] Sujith: And there is a great complementarity here between the intuitive intelligence and cognitive intelligence. That is, cognitive intelligence is more practical. That intelligence works more at the physical plane than at the metaphysical. [00:11:41] Speaker 2: Correct. Absolutely yes. [00:11:44] Sujith: Thinking about in the Panchakoshas the munis speak about the panchakoshas inside out. Do you know that the panchakoshas are shown in concentric circle? [00:11:59] Speaker 2: Yes, yes. Yes. [00:12:01] Sujith: Okay. So there, even if I would just pull up an image that I can find somewhere- just a second- okay- I've got that one here, I have a- yes, so let me see if I can share the screen- share- photos- documents- web URL- whiteboard screen- okay, let me see. What is on the screen- can you see the panchakoshas? [00:12:55] Speaker 2: No Sujith, I'm able to see your desktop. [00:13:02] Sujith: That's all? Okay, so that doesn't work-[00:13:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, now I am- yes, yes, now I'm able to see. [00:13:06] Sujith: Yeah. Though this is mistake. This is- I see that whoever drew this, I just noticed, has drawn it in the opposite direction. So- it is- I'm just looking on my- just a second- let me see if I can find another image somewhere- images- that is correct- okay, maybe this is better- this image may not be the best one- okay, let me pull this up- can you still see my screen? [00:14:22] Speaker 2: [sneezing] I can, I can see the screen. Yeah [00:14:26] Sujith: Bless you. Anna- prana- maya- yeah, okay. This is the right impression- uh oh, what happened again? Yes. Can you see my screen? [00:14:42] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I can see your screen. [00:14:44] Sujith: Okay. So, this is a right representation where Anandamaya Kosha is at the centre. And how the munis referred to these different levels of consciousness and the corresponding intelligence is that when we are born, we are very much in the Anandamaya Kosha. Our spiritual intelligence is fully expressed. We are Satchitananda. But then, we are like a timeless, spaceless entity at the [unintelligible00:15:22]. Means we are more in the metaphysical plane than in the physical plane. So, newborn children, they do not recognise their body. They don't recognise time and space. They don't relate to matter. They are pure energy. They are still metaphysical. And they are fully expressed spiritual intelligence. That means they express Satchitananda. I know, I'm aware, I am bliss. That is the state of a fully-expressed spiritual intelligence. But then they are very much in the ethereal state, the metaphysical, what we call "in the beans". Now, as we start growing from the newborn, we start more and more expressing the other intelligences. It's not that the other intelligences are not expressing, they are expressing to the fullest potential of what is needed at that moment. So a kid has got the physical intelligence to suckle on a breast. So though the child is completely metaphysically intelligent, it has a certain need to survive. And to fulfill that need, the kid already is born knowing how to suckle on a breast. That is called cognitive intelligence. It's an instinct. It's a reflex. And all instances and reflexes are cognitively programmed intelligence. A kid knows how to cry when it needs to change its diaper or when it needs affection. So it can correlate cause and effect at a very subconscious level. That much cognitive intelligence is enough for a child to express, to fulfill her needs. And same thing, the social intelligence that we elaborated, it has enough social intelligence to feel safe and loved with her parents. It can recognise its parents and feel good about the parent and feel the love of the parents and even tune into the stress and the love of her parents. So it has enough social intelligence to make due with her survival. But she is a bundle of fully-expressed spiritual intelligence. And as she goes through the different development stages, her intuitive intelligence, the potentiality of her intuitive intelligence expands. That potentiality expands because more and more of the intuitive intelligence is needed to navigate through life. That it automatically knows that height is dangerous. It automatically knows when a certain person- a little child automatically recognises the evil in that person or the goodness in that person. This all intuitive intelligence are operating. And as the potentiality of the kid's cognitive intelligence also expands. She is able to recognise her hands, she is able to recognise food, she is able to put her hands on the food and grab the food and put it in her mouth because she knows that it is through the mouth that you feed yourself. So that potentiality also keeps expanding, the potentiality of cognitive intelligence. And then, more manifested plane of intelligence is the social intelligence, that is, like a leader, no matter how much cognitive intelligence you have, unless you use your social intelligence and mobilise people or the collective reality, you're never able to manifest things. So that is a higher form of manifestation. So moving from the lower form of manifestation, that is, spiritual intelligence, all the way to physical intelligence- physical intelligence being the region of manifestation- these are different degrees of manifestation of intelligence. So where the centre of the circle is unmanifested and the outer is the manifest, where the centre is the being and the outer layers are more in the doing the plane of matter. The centre is the ethereal, the energetic and the outer is the matter, the material. That sequence of intelligence is how they express. And the beauty is cognitive intelligence and intuitive intelligence are kind of complementary in the sense cognitive intelligence also look at all the practical aspects. So intuitive intelligence a little idealistic, it feels like, "This is the right thing to do, simply discontinue that partnership." But cognitive intelligence takes into consideration all the material concepts [child crying]. [00:22:08] Speaker 2: Your daughter, is it? [chuckles] [00:22:30] Sujith: Yeah, yeah, yeah, she wants my attention [laughing]. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she is eleven months old and still very much in the unmanifested stage. [chuckles] [00:22:44] Speaker 2: [chuckles] [00:22:46] Sujith: Yeah, I enjoy of course, watching her like that [child cooing], recognising that they are actually unmanifested. Yeah. So the reason why I felt I [child cooing] wanted to share this is because it is so complementary to each other. [00:23:07] Speaker 2: Correct, correct. Absolutely yes. [00:23:09] Sujith: They all complement each other. The cognitive intelligence has got a role during the sanity check at the material level, at the [child babbling] pragmatic level. [mimicking the child] babaa [laughing] [00:23:29] [child laughing] [00:23:30] Sujith: [cooing with the child] Okay, yeah. So, I'll stop sharing for the sake of the recording. Yeah. So, indeed, that is one of the things--