Interviews
AHMED KATHRADA
AHMED KATHRADA
Integrating at
grassroots level
Ahmed Kathrada on non-racialism
D
espite what politicians, opinion
polls or media reports sometimes
indicate, non-racialism in South
Africa is alive and well at grassroots level.
Every day, ordinary people are integrating,
quietly getting to know each other and
making friendships across the colour line.
This is the message from Ahmed Kathrada, veteran anti-apartheid activist, political prisoner
and long-time confidant of the likes of Nelson
Mandela and Walter Sisulu.
Kathrada, now a sprightly 80-year old and still
active in public life, is confident that notable
inroads are being made through mediums such
as sport, music and even television.
“I look at Soweto hosting the Blue Bulls rugby
team, I look at the World Cup spirit, I see a PSL
[Premier Soccer League] where most of the
coaches are white – but nobody complains,”
he observes.
“Just tune into anything on TV; some of it’s
rubbish, but it involves both black and white
people. I watched one particular soapie – and
it’s all mixed.
“You can’t change everything in 16 years, but
we’re making good progress towards non-racialism. I see integrated schools, I see universities
with a large percentage of mixed students. I look
at all of these factors… and I’m confident about
the future (of non-racialism),” he adds.
Now retired from active party politics,
Kathrada spoke to Leadership at the unveiling of
an exhibition entitled “Kathy: The Man Behind
the Public Figure”, which coincides with the 21st
anniversary of his release from prison in 1989.
The exhibition remains on public display until
6 September at Liliesleaf Museum in Rivonia,
Johannesburg. Poignantly, it was the police
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raid at the Liliesleaf ‘safe house’ for activists
in July 1963 that led to the Rivonia Trial and
the eventual jailing of Kathrada, Mandela and
Sisulu, among others.
They subsequently spent 26 years behind
bars – 18 on Robben Island and a further seven
at Pollsmoor prison in Cape Town.
After his release, Kathrada worked in ANC
executive positions and was also a Member of
Parliament for five years.
These days, the Ahmed Kathrada Foundation,
founded in 2008, occupies much of his time.
Based in the former Indian suburb of Lenasia,
near Johannesburg, it is active in propagating
non-racialism among black and Indian school
learners in the area.
Earlier this year, the Foundation published a book
entitled Men of Dynamite, which recounts the story
of the mainly Indian group of young men who took
up arms against the National Party government in
the early 1960s. They lived, worked and socialised
in the Fordsburg, Vrededorp and Ferreirastown
areas west of the Johannesburg CBD which, at the
time, were designated as “non-white” in terms of
the infamous Group Areas Act.
They were eventually arrested and nicknamed the “Dynamite Coolies” by warders at
Leeuwkop Prison, where they were held before
being transferred to Robben Island.
Speaking at the book’s launch, Kathrada
acknowledged its importance in recognising
the contribution of members of the Indian
population to the struggle, and said he hoped
it would lead to other similar works.
Robben Island
His other big interest is his former prison ‘home’
of Robben Island. Kathrada was for many years
chairperson of the Robben Island Museum
Council and still devotes much time to the project,
being steadfast in the belief that it is a “continuous
message that needs to be conveyed”.
He admits his first return to the island as a
free man, accompanying a French television
crew, was traumatic. “By that time, I was used
to bigger spaces and could not conceive of how
you can spend so many years in such a little
cell,” Kathrada recalls.
But subsequent visits have become routine and
he tries to accompany as many special visitors as
possible to the island. “People are interested in
what happened there, and I find it amazing that
visitor numbers never go down,” he says.
The 18-year veteran of South Africa’s most infamous prison believes one of the most important
lessons is how it was a microcosm of the way in
which the apartheid system was applied at the
time. “I came into the prison with Govan Mbeki,
Walter Sisulu and Nelson Mandela – of whom
were between 11 and 20 years my senior. But the
first thing that happened was that my seniors
had to wear short pants because all Africans
were regarded as ‘boys’ or ‘girls’ – and ‘boys’
wore short trousers!” Kathrada says.
“When it came to food, I got more meat,
fish and sugar than Mandela because he was
African. But I got less than Dennis Goldberg
because he was white. I got bread, but not
Mandela. He got porridge.
“That’s how you personalise things; that’s how
we use Robben Island to explain the apartheid
system,” he adds.
Kathrada says one of his rules when accompanying visitors to the island is that politics must stop
as the boat leaves the shores of Cape Town. “We’ve
had many people with conflicting political views
come; from Yasser Arafat of the PLO [Palestinian
Liberation Organization] to the World Jewish
“You can’t change everything in
16 years, but we’re making good
progress towards non-racialism”
North-West University PUK Rugby Institute
AHMED KATHRADA
Congress, from Fidel Castro to Bill Clinton. So we
are neutral when we talk about the island.”
In prison
Kathrada’s own time in prison was undoubtedly
difficult. He recalls longing to be able to hold a child
and to hear a child’s cry – something which was
impossible in the austere prison environment.
The 1960s were the toughest years. The
prisoners had almost no access to the outside
world and felt the government was close to
succeeding in crushing the liberation movement.
“But, despite that, the confidence never left
us,” he remembers. “As time went by, new
information started to trickle in and we began
to realise that, far from being lost, the struggle was growing. It was happening in South
Africa, and international solidarity and support from civil society all over the world was
also developing.”
One of the ways to free his mind from the
daily drudgery of prison life was to collect quotations he liked, garnered from the few books
in the prison library, study textbooks, and the
occasional newspaper smuggled in from the
outside world. These quotations eventually
numbered several thousand – ranging in origin
from Daniel Defoe and Oliver Schreiner through
to Reader’s Digest magazine and the Rapport
Afrikaans newspaper.
They were kept in hidden exercise books and
eventually became the basis for a book entitled:
A Free Mind: Ahmed Kathrada’s Notebook From
Robben Island.
Kathrada is on record as saying these were
probably a continuation of his pre-incarceration
debating activities, when he frequently used
relevant quotations in his speeches.
But he seems to have become an almost
unofficial historian of life on the island, using
his well-developed literary skills to pen more
than 900 letters – 103 of which later became
the basis of another book, entitled Letters from
Robben Island, a selection of Ahmed Kathrada’s
private correspondence,-.
He also wrote his own memoirs (published
in 2004), in which he recalls that, prior to
being imprisoned, he was an occasional slogan
painter and graffiti artist with a group called
the Picasso Club. One of their ‘raids’ was on
the segregated Johannesburg Public Library,
where they painted the slogan “Let us black
folk read”.
When the authorities cleaned it off, the Club
responded with the slogan: “We black folk ain’t
reading yet”.
A very happy birthday, Mdala
Many birthdays have passed since I first met Madiba in 1945 – he was 27 and I was 16.
We first began “group” celebrations in prison where fellow prisoners began by simply shouting
“Happy Birthday” through the windows of our single cells.
Having known him close to 60 years, I find it is impossible to box his personality into a
single category. Any attempt to do so will find he is an amalgam of the peasant and the
aristocrat; the simple everyday individual and the lawyer; the democrat par excellence – at
times exasperatingly so; soft and tenacious; shy – yet not without a touch of vanity; obstinate
and flexible; generally cool-tempered, with the ability to explode with anger.
With all these qualities notwithstanding, he is overwhelmingly a man of great compassion
and care.
Throughout our prison years, his concern for his fellow prisoners was always uppermost in his
mind. In the trenches with the rest of us, he refused to be singled out for special treatment.
For example, exemption from work, better food or clothing. He refused to be exempted from
our hunger strikes and he refused the 1977 offer to be released.
To me, Madiba remains a man whom I respect, admire and love. On the occasion of his birthday,
I join the millions of people in South Africa and all over the world, saying: “A very happy birthday,
Mdala. May you see many more birthdays and may your wisdom and guidance that saw us
through thick and thin remain with us. May your unshaking commitment to a non-racial, nonsexist, democratic South Africa continue to flourish and be our beacon for all time.”
Kathy (written for “Leadership” magazine’s Madiba tribute last year)
With Mandela
Kathrada’s story is closely entwined with that of
Nelson Mandela. On three occasions, he was tried
with Mandela and ultimately sentenced to life
imprisonment with him after the Rivonia Trial.
Prior to that, however, he had been involved
in semi-clandestine activities and was
among a few activists responsible for the
security and contacts of Mandela while he
operated underground.
Later, when Mandela was arrested, Kathrada
came out into the open to launch the “Free
Mandela” campaign.
He still sees Madiba from time to time, but
says it is always informal and without an
agenda. “Often, if he (Mandela) has read the
newspapers already, we’ll talk about that.
Otherwise, we chat about the past, or people
we know,” Kathrada explains.
Does he have a favourite Mandela story?
Kathrada says there is one that Madiba
himself related at a meeting, not long after his
release from prison.
A little girl, aged six or seven, confronted him
and asked, “How old are you?”, to which the
great man patiently replied. She then wanted to
know why he had been in jail – to which he again
responded. Several more questions and answers
followed, before the young girl delivered her
verdict: “You’re just a silly old man!”.
“Mandela related this at a public meeting,”
says Kathrada. “It says so much about him that
he’s able to laugh at himself.”
Satisfied
So, is he satisfied with South Africa’s postdemocracy progress? Kathrada pauses for
thought. “No. Although it may be a long time in
the lifespan of a human being, 16 years is too
short in the life of a nation.
“What we have achieved – apart from material
gains like houses, water, schools and electricity
– is still not enough.
“Don’t tell the person in Standerton about statistics. His question is: ‘Where’s my house?’,”
he says. But he does not believe that is cause
for despair.
“I was talking to a very knowledgeable man a
month ago, and he said: ‘Take all the post-colonial
countries which achieved their independence long
before us – and show me one that has achieved in
16 years what we have achieved’.” ▲
Mike Simpson
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Creating a quality league
As far back as 2000, a previous national coach, a
money market manager and a charted accountant
developed the concept at the then Potchefstroom
University for Christian Higher Education. They
believed there was a necessity for an institute that
could develop players in a comprehensive way,
preparing them for life after sport, and which is
linked to a university.
They believed it is possible to incorporate the
following into a student-athlete:
• Crucial lifeskills such as respect, effort, discipline,
self-direction and “taking it off the field“ (practical
application).
• For the student – athlete to be honest, forthright
and respectful.
• For sporting skills to build on lifeskills.
• To have an athlete that would be able to conduct
him or herself on the track as well as off the track.
When the North-West University PUK Rugby
Institute was established, the Potchefstroom
University team (Pukke) had not beaten the Free
State University (Kovies) in 17 years. Within a year
following the inception of the institute, Pukke had
already won the Pirates Grand Challenge, and went
on to beat the University of Pretoria (Tukkies), Rand
Afrikaans University (RAU) – and within five years,
Pukke were the club champions at the prestigious
Club Championship.
The products of this institute have become national
assets. One such example is Henno Mentz, who
obtained his honours degree, but also played for
the national team against Ireland. He was one of
the first successful student-athletes as envisaged
in 2000 by the founding fathers of the North-West
University PUK Rugby Institute.
More than 27 players who have come from this
institute have played in the Super 14 league, often
described as the most competitive sports league in
the world. Between 40 and 50 players are playing
in the Vodacom Cup as well as in the Currie Cup
competitions. These include players such as Willem
van der Wal, Tiaan Liebenberg, Brock Harris, Wickus
Blaauw, Tewis de Bruin, Bees Roux, Jacques-Louis
Potgieter, Frans Viljoen, Billy Wepener, Franco van
der Merwe, Straatkat van Zyl, Walter Venter, Deon
van Rensburg, Jaco Engels, Rayno Gerber and Naas
Olivier.
North-West University PUK Rugby Institute has
grown from a point when it could not win regional
competitions to where it has been the provincial
champion for the last 10 years. It has also won the
Golden Lions’ Pirates Grand Challenge seven times
in the past nine years, and has been national club
champion three times in nine years.
The institute has also been a leader among
university teams in the newly formed Varsity Cup,
and only lost to Stellenbosch in the final of 2009.
It can be argued that North-West University PUK
Rugby Institute has developed into the strongest
rugby club in the country over the past decade.
Not only has it given the world a model for the
student-athlete balance, it has also grown into an
institute of preference to sustainably provide new
players to South African Rugby.
Furthermore, it has made its contribution to equity
and transformation in rugby.
The Tlokwe City Council recently honoured the
North-West University PUK Rugby Institute, its
architect André Markgraaff and his visionary
associates Professor Johan Rost and Wessel van
Rensburg, as well as all the rugby players ‘past
and present’ and their coaches with a Special
Mayoral Award for the most successful rugby club
in South Africa over 10 years. It is indeed making
the Potchefstromers proud.